The Experimental & Long Term Case For Not Getting A COVID-19 Vaccine Right Now

Let’s be clear, these COVID-19 vaccines are experimental vaccines and their long-term effects are not known; that’s just common sense. That’s simply a fact. So, let’s get into why this means you shouldn’t take these vaccines.

Framing The Debate

Once again, I must frame the debate because there’s probably someone out there who will they that these vaccines aren’t experimental and have been given full approval by the TGA. So, let’s be clear. These vaccines haven’t completed their Stage 4 Clinical Trials. Nor have the mRNA vaccines ever been used. So, on two counts, these are experimental.

I must also say that I’m talking about long-term effects and not short-term ones. I’m referring to both effects that go on into the long-term and effects that occur in the long-term. There is sometimes a blurring of these two terms; they’re not mutually exclusive. When I say long-term effects, I am generally referring to the effects that are found quickly but affect over the long-term and when I say effects in the long-term, I am referring to effects that are found much later and may or may not affect in the long-term.

Also, I’ll once again be talking about the COVID-19 vaccines that will be available in Australia; Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson.

mRNA Vaccines

I think that one of our problems here is the assumption this is like every other vaccine that we’ve ever seen and it’s not.

Dr. Robert Malone

That quote is from Dr. Robert Malone; one of the inventors of the mRNA technology used for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. And that quote is crucial. I’ll get to the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines but these two are the main ones that will be delivered and given to Australians in the next few months; plus, they’re the ones with the new technology and not just a new vaccine.

There’s a 3 hour-plus podcast on these issues with Dr. Malone. You can find it here. But because we don’t have 3 hours to watch the entire thing, let me explain to you the experimental nature and long term risks of these vaccines.

The first and most glaring issue is the technology itself. These are the first mRNA vaccines. That should immediately make you stop and think about what you could be taking. That’s just common sense.

So, you’re probably wondering if we don’t know what will happen, then something good can happen and everything could be fine. Whilst that is true, we already have indicators of the long-term effects though because some are already showing.

In the normal situation when we’re not in a rush, we have some really rigours tests that have to be done in animals. Revealing that [the vaccine protein] spike gets cleaved off of expressed cells and becomes free, is something that absolutely should have been known and understood well before this was ever gotten put into humans… [The US’ FDA was] aware back when we were doing randomised clinical trials that these adverse events were occurring; many were oddly delayed and atypical for a vaccine trial.

Dr. Robert Malone

Much of these adverse effects are due to the spike protein from the vaccine that Dr. Malone described in the quote above. Basically, the spike that produces antibodies for COVID-19 left where it should have been. This meant that cells all around the body were affected and can potentially cause harmful events.

This is a key point; the vaccine didn’t stay where it was supposed to. People had adverse effects somewhat correlating with where the protein spike went. However, the key issue is that pretty much all of the data to back this up is self-reported. That’s a problem; there is no compulsory follow-up.

This means that literally everything you hear is anecdotal and self-reported. But you can’t dismiss it because, like I said, there are no comprehensive follow-ups. In fact, since it is self-reported, it is more likely that there are adverse effects undetected or unlinked to the vaccine due to the lack of follow-ups.

This lack of reporting is partly to do with the “safe and effective” rhetoric we hear all so often. This propaganda is another reason not to take these vaccines but that’s an issue for another post.

So, what exactly are some of the long-term effects? Here’s the bit that you’re waiting for, a list of these long-term effects.

  • Myocarditis (Inflammation of the heart)
  • Pericarditis (Inflammation around the heart)
  • Chest pain
  • Paralysis
  • Lymphadenopathy (abnormal lymph node sizes)

Recently, two Australian reporters have gone through these heart conditions as a result of the vaccine. It is not as rare as you think. It was refreshing for one of them, Denham Hitchcock, to reveal his thoughts rather than spout the traditional “safe and effective” propaganda line as well as trusting the government is doing the right thing.. Here’s some of what he said about vaccination and opening up; he also said plenty about his condition but I don’t need to use it as emotional weaponry.

disclaimer first – I’m NOT anti vax. But I’m really not pro vax either. I’m pro choice – and pro information to make that choice. above all I’m PRO opening the bloody country up and to do that I don’t see any way around [other than] getting the majority of Australia vaccinated. So I got the Pfizer shot… The only thing for me that’s dead certain – if they don’t open Australia up when we reach their milestone of 70% – then there will be a lot more people marching in the street. You want the trust ? Keep your damn promise.

Denham Hitchcock

Adenovirus Vaccines

Now to the two adenovirus vaccines, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson. The risks of these vaccines are quite well known; mainly blood clots. Some of these events were long-term effects and some short-term. Some also led to people dying. So, we can’t also rule out that these effects could also be found in the effects in the long-term.

This blog post is mostly dealing with the new type of vaccines but the fact is, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson are still new vaccines, even if they aren’t using new technology. They are both presenting severe long-term effects. We’ve found most of them quickly but as I said before, it’s not a given that we won’t find any in the future and considering how serious they are, as you can see below, it’s important we see what happens in a small study before we give the vaccine to a large portion of the population.

Here’s another list of these vaccines’ long-term effects.

  • Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia (Blood Clots)
  • Guillain-Barré Syndrome (Paralysis)
  • Enlarged Lymph Nodes
  • Heart Attacks
  • Death

Low Risk; High Uptake

However, various levels of government in Australia are inconsistent with their decisions when it comes to situations with low risk but high uptake. The Delta Variant of COVID-19 is very infectious (high uptake) but has a lower death rate than the regular COVID-19 (low risk). The decision by the state governments have been to enact a lockdown. But with the AstraZeneca vaccine, they have a different take. It doesn’t matter that there’s high uptake of a vaccine with low risk; they keep making it available.

My point is, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t use the infectiousness of Delta to justify a lockdown but then highlight the low risk when it comes to the AstraZeneca vaccine whilst ignoring the high uptake. They’re being logically inconsistent.

They have two options, pick which one matters and stick to it or do some maths. Now this is simple maths; multiply the risk by the uptake and you can compare the overall risks. Perhaps then they could have a justification if it turns out that their decisions match which one has the higher overall risk.

Effects Found In The Long-Term

Now something experimental doesn’t necessarily mean it doesn’t work or isn’t safe. But it is what it is, an experiment. We don’t know what will happen. We don’t have the long-term studies to know what these vaccines will do. So, I’ll now talk about the effects that will be revealed in the long-term.

We simply do not know what these vaccines will do in the long-term. We have currently, at the most, 12 months to review a sample of people who’ve had a COVID-19 vaccine. And those are the people in the main pre-release Clinical Trials (2nd and 3rd Stage). The general population who are serving as the Phase 4 Clinical Trials have had 8 or so months that can be looked at and even so, any preliminary results may not be accurate since the full results aren’t available. This isn’t even taking into account the mRNA vaccines which have never been used before, at least the adenovirus ones have been used for other virus.

Take something like Boostrix, a combination vaccine, which was approved in 2009. We have had more than a decade to review its effects. And it had its Phase 3 Clinical Trials 3 years prior to its full approval. There were also studies done in 2015; these were proper Phase 4 Clinical Trials of about 700 pregnant women, not a few self-reports of the entire population. These trials involved a placebo. These were real trials with actual care being taken and making sure to properly test in animals before giving it to humans.

You may think that I’ve jumped the gun and there are Phase 4 Clinical Trials going on now. Well, I’ve read up and there’s one that I saw. And, no it hasn’t been completed. So, there’s no way to actually get proper data. Plus, this trial isn’t even randomised. And the Phase 3 Clinical Trials were completed in late last year or April this year; either a few months before or a full 4 months after mass vaccination began globally.

The fact is, if you’re still planning your first Phase 4 Trials whilst you’re trying to inject the entire population, there’s some concern there. Also, we can read a full list of all Boostrix’ side effects, including the serious ones but you can’t find them easily for the COVID-19 vaccines. In fact, take a look at the Pfizer document titled, After your COVID-19 vaccination, produced by the Australian Federal Government. There are no mentions of any of the severe/long-term conditions listed above apart from the obvious anaphylaxis. That’s right. There is just a single rare side effect listed and it’s a severe allegoric reaction, which means you if you do have anaphylaxis for an ingredient in the vaccine, you’d probably know about it beforehand and not going through with it. It’s not a surprise.

In conclusion to this section, it’s just common sense; we don’t know what will happen. Thus, there’s not much more I can write than say it’s an unknown and we must factor it in, as well as show examples of tried-and-tested vaccines and how we know their effects, highlighting the fact that these COVID-19 vaccines aren’t the same. We mustn’t fear all unknowns but we must acknowledge we don’t know and not live in ignorance. We mustn’t make an argument from silence; we can’t say that simply because we don’t know, it hasn’t or will not happen.


Before I wrap this up, The University of Alabama posted an article , titled “Three things to know about the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines”. I feel that responding to this piece will ensure that I can address some of the rebuttals that people may present.

The first thing it says is, “Vaccines are eliminated quickly”. The fact is that’s simple a lie. If it went away quickly, then there’d be no point getting it. But I get their point, they mean that it’s not like a medicine which you take everyday and the vaccine itself disappears over time. However, it really depends how you define your terms. They say things like “quickly eliminated” but what does it mean? So, the point feels kind of useless, since searching that term doesn’t give any useful results. So, if other experts don’t use that language and explain it then I’m not sure what it means. The only thing I can think of is to say that he means that the ingredients of the vaccine dissipate. That only occurs over a number of days as I’m aware (so is that quickly?) and the side effects can occur after and last longer than that. So, is the vaccine eliminated quickly? Well clearly not, since there are long-term effects.

The second point raised, states, “Vaccine side effects show up within weeks if at all”. This one almost seems like a joke. Whilst it’s absolutely true that most side effects turn up in a few weeks, that doesn’t mean it’s impossible for it to occur after that timeframe. Say a side effect occurred after that time is that still a side effect? Below is what their argument would look like if you just took it as they say; it’s circular logic. To sum it up, it can’t be a side effect because it’s after a few weeks and it’s after a few weeks because it’s not a side effect.

The circular logic of their argument

This directly refers to the effects revealed over long-term that I talked about. These are effects which we don’t see at the beginning. But under their model, they could not possibly be related to the vaccine since they’re occurring after a few weeks. It really just shows me that these people aren’t willing to truly look at the evidence and simply just define away things to the contrary.

Their third point is, “COVID vaccine experience over the past six months”. The fact is 6 months is no time in the world of vaccine development. It seems this article is a hattrick of own goals. The fact is, as this article reports, the vaccines used in the USA, only released their Phase 3 Clinical Trial results close to or after mass vaccination, as I mentioned before. Though the whole US situation isn’t that relevant to Australians, giving people a vaccine so close to releasing their Phase 3 Clinical Trial results is the same in Australia as in the USA and it’s only showing further how experimental these vaccines are. The fact is, this article reports things which actually give the exact opposite of the intended result. They wanted people to not fear and trust the vaccine yet they show information which actually show the reasons not to take a vaccine. This section in the article goes on to point out very low numbers of side effect events, even permanent long-term ones. But, as we found out earlier, most of this is through self-reporting and thus missing the effects that would be picked up in a proper trial.


If you’d like to do some more research, I’d encourage you to watch the Dark Horse Podcast episode with Dr. Robert Malone. It’s a long watch with some very technical language but if it interests you, check it out.

There are 8 more reasons if you’re still not convinced but this is another compelling case. You can be an experiment or not. I’m choosing not.

Sources (In order of use)


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